Dark Matter, a result of the heliocentric doctrine - Page 3

ashyr · 02-07-2007, 11:05 PM

i remember at one stage it was hard to convince people that every star was a sun. and ever sun had a solarsystem or planets inside.

many people used to think OUR sun was the only one. now what im in partial to believe that the earth doesnt move. but yet i need more evidence. perhaps i shall read that book & dvd. see what happens.

well ill ask you now. to provide me with your best FACT that supports the claim that the earth doesnt move? im ears.

cheers

btw that other stuff i typed earlier was in relation to how david describes peoples reactions. but you would know that already wouldnt you?

rmstock · 06-07-2007, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashyr

i remember at one stage it was hard to convince people that every star was a sun. and ever sun had a solarsystem or planets inside.

many people used to think OUR sun was the only one. now what im in partial to believe that the earth doesnt move. but yet i need more evidence. perhaps i shall read that book & dvd. see what happens.

well ill ask you now. to provide me with your best FACT that supports the claim that the earth doesnt move? im ears.

cheers

btw that other stuff i typed earlier was in relation to how david describes peoples reactions. but you would know that already wouldnt you?

Marshall Hall claims today's integrated ballistics software on air
defense/attack systems does not incorporate error correction for
Coriolis force effects. Any person into this branch of IT business and
access to that software should be able to confirm or deny this. Plain
simple. Marshall Hall's quote on this :

Quote:

When Big Bertha shelled Paris during World War I,
Coriolis effect would have deflected shells about a mile.

the Big Bertha gun is not the correct name according wikipedia, its
called The Paris Gun aka Langer Max (long Max), a World War I German
cannon officially called 38cm SKL/45. Marshall Hall adds the following
discussion :

" In addition to what was printed under the drawing (which was a lie)
, the article had this to say about Big Bertha :

Quote:

"In 1918, the Big Bertha shells were in transit for three minutes, time
enough for Paris to move about a mile."{8}

{8} Linn, "Spin," Smithsonian, Feb. '83, p. 68.

In another place we read a little more about the same account:

Quote:

"In World war I, German gunners manning the 'Big Bertha' shelled
Paris, 76 miles away. At that range and at the velocity at which the
shells traveled, the Coriolis effect would have deflected them about a
mile to the right. The huge gun was so inaccurate, however, that it was
merely aimed in the general direction of Paris and the gunners did not
bother to correct for the Coriolis drift ..."{9}

{9} Ibid., p. 67.

Three minutes in the air .... Hmmm .... If the earth did rotate, how
far would Paris move in three minutes, Bo Bo?
Well, it would be going about 680 MPH at that latitude, so that it
would go just over eleven miles in a minute ....
Call it 34 miles in three minutes.
So, if the cannon was 76 miles due north of Paris, its
railway-car-launching-pad would be located at over 1o latitude closer
to the North Pole and would be (in the heliocentric myth) moving about
14 MPH slower than Paris. Thus, in three minutes Paris would move 34
miles to the East and the railway-car location and the shell fired from
that point would miss by over a mile .... Iszat right?
That's what the concept demands. And it's the same idea if the cannon
was located due south ....
But then if the cannon was due west or east of Paris
the Coriolis effect would be canceled out??
Yes, Let's stress that point, Vern. From an encyclopedia we read:

Quote:

"On the Earth ... an object that moves along a north-south path, or
longitudinal line, will undergo apparent deflection to the right in the
Northern Hemisphere, and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere ....
Thus, if a cannon were fired northward from a point on the Equator, the
projectile would land to the east of its due north path. This variation
would occur because the projectile was moving eastward faster at the
Equator than was its target farther north. Similarly , if the weapon
were fired toward the Equator from the North Pole, the projectile would
again land to the right of its true path. In this case, the target area
would have moved eastward before the shell reached it because of its
greater eastward velocity .... The Coriolis deflection is therefore
related to the motion of the object, the motion of the Earth, and the
latitude." {10}

{10} Britannica,, Micropaedia, Vol. III, p. 152.

So, if the Earth were moving, the deflection would only occur on a
north-south longitudinal basis and there would be no deflection on a
east-west latitudinal basis?
That's what the books say --
And the Germans "did not bother to correct for the Coriolis
drift"??
Yeah. You know how the Germans are a little slow when it comes to
guns and technical stuff ...
Hah! Joke!
Joke is right! All they needed to do to get around the Coriolis
problem was to line old Bertha up due east of Paris and cut loose! But
the simple fact of the matter is that they didn't pay any attention to
that nonsense because they did know about guns and they knew
that, in reality, it didn't matter what latitude the gun was on.
There were a bunch of real factors that made a weapon that massive
inaccurate and these were understood and accepted. But correcting for
Coriolis drift because Paris was going to move part of 25 miles in
three minutes from firing to impact was not one of the factors they
bothered with. And, for the best of reasons, i.e., they knew it wasn't
a factor! "

Robert
--
Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
crashrecovery.org stock@stokkie.net

02-07-2007, 11:05 PM	#21
ashyr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nelson Posts: 227	i remember at one stage it was hard to convince people that every star was a sun. and ever sun had a solarsystem or planets inside. many people used to think OUR sun was the only one. now what im in partial to believe that the earth doesnt move. but yet i need more evidence. perhaps i shall read that book & dvd. see what happens. well ill ask you now. to provide me with your best FACT that supports the claim that the earth doesnt move? im ears. cheers btw that other stuff i typed earlier was in relation to how david describes peoples reactions. but you would know that already wouldnt you? __________________ "SO LET'S SING VOLUMES FOR THE SOULS THAT AREN'T FOR SALE INDEED LATELY THERES BEEN HELL HOUNDS ON MY TRAIL" Holsis Yolswa My resonant name at the point of death. Smart Enough?